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Nicko Middleweight
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I can definatly see where you are comming from there are a few things you gotta realize though, one is that YOU ARE 16 and you are not even 18 or 20. a man doesn't even really start to fill in untill they are about 18 and finish when they are 20ish, just look at the high school kids and compare the grade 9s to the 12s, massive difference. In the years to come your muscles will naturally fill in more, don't try and rush them and don't supplement yourself to death if that is what you are doing, you can end up doing things like stunting your growth and pull joints and injur yourself since your bones have not hardened and your joints and socekts are not yet developed.
from your age and from your muscle development I may be wrong but I would assume you really do not know all that much about training, or training properly. now I could be wrong and you do know what your are doing. and I have seen some arms like that on ectomorphs and your arm just may be naturally like that.
now here is the advice I can give you. Know that the bicep has 3 different heads which can be exercise. basically you exercise each head just by the way you hold the weight, holding the weight palm down will exericse one head, holding the weight palm up will exercise another, and holding the weight sideways (like in a hammercurl) will exercise the last head. I would think the reason for your bicep turning out like that is because you may only exercise one head, (the one where your palm is facing up) and/or do not lift using full range of motion. so in short I would suggest focusing on full range of motion if you are not already, and changing some of your arm exercises, try throwing in a reverse barbell curl, a hammer curl, dumbell/cable cross overs, or some others that hit the muscle a different way
just look at your bicep and move your wrist around you will see what I mean, when the palm faces up the muscle flexs, when you turn it 90 degrees the muscle is partially extended and when the palm is facing down it is fully extended, each way exercises it differently
http://www.shapefit.com/biceps-exercises-drag-curls.html
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markrocooper Girly Man

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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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no im not on steriods. and i dnt want to be. cause apparently they skrew with your mind. and also your gentals _________________ "Live the burn"
16 yr old,6"1,165LBS,18%fat, build like a brick shithouse |
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Vincent Valentine Middleweight

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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| You're way to young to be on steroids anyway. |
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testokitty Girly Man
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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This question is easily answered:
It's about genetics. Some people have shorter muscles, some people longer. And when your bicep muscles are the shorter type, when they develop they tend to leave a gap between the elbow and the muscle (when flexing that bicep). Now, when you have longer biceps muscles, your arms look more "full" when they develop, so to speak. When you have shorter type of bicep muscles, they tend to grow thicker, but they leave that gap. Of course it's a matter of taste which type you prefer. I personally have short muscles, and i've been training 9 years and always had that gap. But then again, i kinda like the so called "tennis ball look" that the shorter muscle type gives  |
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testokitty Girly Man
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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now here is the advice I can give you. Know that the bicep has 3 different heads which can be exercise. basically you exercise each head just by the way you hold the weight, holding the weight palm down will exericse one head, holding the weight palm up will exercise another, and holding the weight sideways (like in a hammercurl) will exercise the last head. I would think the reason for your bicep turning out like that is because you may only exercise one head, (the one where your palm is facing up) and/or do not lift using full range of motion.
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I have to disagree with this one.
To understand my point, take a look at this pic first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gray411.png
First of all, yes, biceps have different heads. And the part that you see when you flex bicep muscles, and what is commonly understood when speaking of biceps, has TWO heads, inner and outer head (or long and short heads, as they're called). BUT, whether the lift focuses on inner or outer head, depends on how WIDE grip you use when doing standing barbell curls. Yes, there are also other exercises than standing barbell curls, but when you want to concentrate on either inner or outer head, barbell curls (scott or regular) are probably the only ones that you can use on that purpose.
Now, to concentrate on inner head, you simply take a wider grip, and to concentrate on outer head, use narrow grip. This is very simple really. Think about it: when you take a narrow grip, it stretches your outer bicep muscle.
Then again, hammer curls and reverse grip barbell curls work more the BRACHIALIS muscle, and not so much the long and short head.
Second, as i said in previous post, the reason that some people's biceps tend to have that tennis ball look and leave that gap, is because of genetics, which has given you the shorter bicep muscles.
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Nicko Middleweight
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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oops sorry it is the tricep which has 3 heads. your right the bicep only has two
hmm... so you claim that it is all in the width of your grip? I would say that the way you grip the weight, either regular, hammer or inverted, would exercise the muscles differently. just the same as the width of the grip (I don't use barbells at all)
hey, mark, if you don't know body types you should really look up ectomorph, messomoprh, and endomorph. it will give you a good idea of what you got to work with and how you can train and I hate using this word but "limitations" (to an extent) you have on your body |
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testokitty Girly Man
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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oops sorry it is the tricep which has 3 heads. your right the bicep only has two
hmm... so you claim that it is all in the width of your grip? I would say that the way you grip the weight, either regular, hammer or inverted, would exercise the muscles differently. just the same as the width of the grip (I don't use barbells at all)
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Yes, i claim that your grip width determines how the two biceps heads (long and short) are stressed. Actually i just read about this in a book which explained muscle functions. By the way, the same book explained the reason why some people have that gap that causes "tennis ball" types of biceps. Of course, using dumbbells instead of barbell will also develop your bicep muscles, and some would probably say that with dumbbells you get better results because of the better contraction caused by the twisting you can do at the end of the movement. And I never denied it. I just brought up that if you want to stress more either the long or the short head, you can do that by changing your grip width. And I would also say that using hammer grip develops more the brachialis muscle, and less the long and short head. Sure, hammer and reverse grip curls stress the long and short head a little, but much less than curls done using palms up grip. This is really simple to notice, just try flexing you biceps with different "grips". With hammer or palms down, you can't fully supinate your long and short head of the bicep. |
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Nicko Middleweight
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| supinate your long and short bicep head? supinate is rotating so your palm faces up do you mean extension? |
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testokitty Girly Man
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| supinate your long and short bicep head? supinate is rotating so your palm faces up do you mean extension? |
My bad sorry, english isn't my mother tongue as you probably noticed (i'm finnish) I guess extension is the right word. |
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Nicko Middleweight
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't notice, if you know the correct terminology for things like bicep and such and you know anitomical movements I would say you know english pretty well.
if you grip the weight with your hand pronated (palms down) forces your muscle to extend more, which may or may not help fill in the gap. that is atleast how I would try exercising if I had a big gap and wanted to get rid of it, but yes Genetics do play their role |
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